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JustusSpalting
religion is a fun subject open to debate, here might be the perfect place to discuss it. you cant blame someone for leaving something out in his statement btw, enjoy your short stay on earth all
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bgtaM
i can't wait to meet him, well i will say to him, "come on, can't you be a more kind person? you don't have the best reputation between the human population, will you at least forgive us metalheads?" :D Well, Jerzchula2002 is right, you don't bash other religions, well i do it, if any ot those religions is real i have hell assured, it's really sad.
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Jerzchula2002
I love God and I'm glad I have changed. Yes I used to doubt and think that I can control what I do. God loves you no matter what and he will always be around whether you believe in him. I pray that the people on here that has not accepted Christ or believe in him I pray that God will show mercy for your ignorance and hate. I pray that you will forgive who ever has hurt you and made you suffer to bring you so much pain and anger in your life. The devil will destroy you and you will see him real soon.
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Jerzchula2002
this is people do. you bash christians but you dont bash any other religion this way. fine if you dont believe than great thats you but dont bash people that do believe. if god doesnt fit into your life than thats on you. why do people care what happens if you are a non-believer? I dont get it. you all are so involved in what we do as christians yet you want no part of it.
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aircraftdamage
egnops is way cool. He knows he's going to hell and he's enjoying ev'ry second of it.
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bgtaM
xTobbbex your explanation could be made by a 5 years old boy. Seriously it's really hilarious :D So God appeared and healed him. And what do God think about the torture of children and innocent people in Irak and Afganistan? What do he/she/it think about Bush? what do god think about the people who live humilliated in the misery begging for money to have something to eat? why don't he heal those people? It's strange but i don't know and i have never noticed about any case similar to the ones you state. RELIGION=MITH for poor mentally people used with many purposes in the history of humanity.
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DCLXVIkiller
maybe jesus existed, but not in the ways that people think. people need to get off that shit, its like a drug, it causes a lot of fear and anger
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Ridikul
Your last thought was that if your beliefs are right, and I die, I'll go to hell, whereas if you die, and my beliefs are right, you'll just be buried and gone. That really says a lot about your religion. Your God is no more than a down-right evil dictator. He is willing to let me burn for eternity in hell because I have an opinion, when he is the one that allowed me to have that opinion in the first place? Well then, I don't think I'd want to worship this guy for eternity in heaven anyway.
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Ridikul
Actually, I think our purpose here is to evolve, so yes, to live, reproduce, and die. It is a depressing life style, but who ever said life was perfectly fair and happy? It is because life is so depressing that man created religion to help him deal with it. You asked what is wrong with killing those that can no longer help society. Society created morals. Society decided that it was wrong to kill another human being. On the subject of Jesus, I never said I didn't believe there was a Jesus. Actually, I do believe there was a Jesus at one point. However, I do not believe in this man's claim that he was the son of a deity, no matter how many people believe in it. You brought up the subject that because men killed for their faith, that must mean they truly witnessed the resurrection of Jesus. Oh yeah? Well what about every other religion? They killed for their beliefs too, which is why religion is a horrible disease of mankind.
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zoeright
We could go on like this for eternity but is wont change either your or mine mind. No reason to keep doing this. I plan on this being my last note and then you can have the last words. Maybe some else will take up the argument and may not. You are very stubborn, and I am very stubborn. We have both decided what we are going to believe.
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zoeright
I still believe that the holocaust is a great example of what would happen if the whole world believed in evolution. Evolution debases humans to nothing more than an animal. If we are all animals than what is wrong with killing off a whole race? What is wrong with killing those that can not longer help society? I don’t know why so many people are so darn determined to prove that they have NO purpose what so-ever!! Really, if there is no God then why are we here? Just to live, reproduce, and die? If so, what is the difference between you and dung? Sound like one depressing life style. Ridikul, or should I call you Doug (by the way, your last name is awesome), if you think “religion is a crutch” because is it gives us hope and meaning, then by GOD, let me have that AMAZING crutch!
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zoeright
You brought up the subject of the way God commutates. Why doesn’t God just appear to human? Well, he did. It was Jesus. I know this answer will not satisfy you because you don’t even believe there was a Jesus. Don’t worry I will get to that subject. Jesus even did miracles to prove he was God, but still many did not believe. I know, I know; even if you thought there was Jesus you would not believe he preformed miracles. That is a different subject; if you want to, you can read The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel. It took a person expectance for me to believe that there was a God, and it will take a personal expectance for you to believe there is a God. I would put my story up, but it is way to long. I pray that someday you will have one.
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zoeright
Alright, did Jesus really exist? Read the Jewish historian Josephus. He mentions the crucifixion; you can also verify Christ in the Talmud. Some other non-Christian sources are the writing of Mara Bar-Serepion, Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, and some other Roman writes of the time mention Christ. Did you know that there is more evidence for Jesus than Homer? Ask any historian.
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zoeright
Also, you must remember that the Bible was written by many different men, not by one. Why would 12 followers allow themselves to be hunted, tortured, and martyred for something they knew wasn't real? Most of them directly killed for their faith. Maybe you could say that they were nuts, but all of them? Not likely. Examples, Peter was crucified upside-down, John was once boiled in a huge basin of boiling oil, and James, the brother of Jesus was thrown down from the Temple when he refused to deny his faith in Christ. When they discovered that he survived the fall, they beat James to death with a club. Bartholomew was flayed to death by a whip, and many others meet such deaths. If Jesus had not been resurrected, the disciples would have known. Why would they die for something they know is a lie? The fact that all of the apostles were willing to die horrible deaths, refusing to renounce their faith in Christ is evidence that they had truly witnessed the resurrection of Jesus.
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zoeright
My last thought for you. If I am wrong and you are right then I live a life of false hope, joy, and fulfillment. When I die, I will be buried and rot. Nothing more, nothing less, it will be the end of me. But if I am right and you are wrong, you live a hopeless life. When you die you go to hell! I pray this will not be your end.
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Lusciousboom
I agree once more to your post, zoer. I honestly see no point in starting debates on the topic, because while some insight may be gained, it is often gained at the expense of a friendship or the respect of another. Notice I said STARTING, as I am fairly certain you did no such thing.
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Lusciousboom
Zoeright, obviously he doesn't believe that an intelligent creator designed it, because he doesn't believe in one. And by your logic, it could be argued that the idea of a creator could all be in YOUR head. Question 4 is moot. I agree with your stance on the crusades. And lastly, only a complete fool of an atheist/nihilist would use this argument to disprove God. Tragedy is natural and unavoidable. P.S., I don't want this post to turn into a flame war, I'm merely expressing opinions.
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zoeright
Dear Delano999, So you do not believe there is a God because 1.you BELIEVE that it is all in our heads 2.the crusades 3.There is no reason why a God should exist because nature created the Universe 4.If everything needs a creator, then God would need to have a creator, too 5.why would a God allow AIDS, the holocaust, and other evils My answers 1.I believe the idea of there NOT being a God is all in your head. There is no way to prove either view. There is no why to change my mind and there is no way I can change yours. 2.I hate the crusades. They went around killing people in the name of Jesus. I think there is a special place in hell for them. That was not Christian behavior at all! Jesus never said anything to provoke that. I don’t know where in the world they got the horrible twisted idea!
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3.have you ever thought about how complex the Universe is? How could nature generate something so complex without any ability to reason? When you see a computer do you think, “Oh, look at what nature made.” No, you know someone had to design it; you know there was an intelligent creator behind it. If you think that one computer could not be produced by nature alone then why would you think that the WHOLE Universe was produced by nature? 4.this is a question that I struggled with in sixth grade. If everything needs a creator then who created God? And then who made the creator of God? You are not going to like my answer because it must be accepted by faith alone. GOD IS, GOD WAS, GOD FOREVER WILL BE. He is eternal; no beginning, no end. Sounds pretty crazy, but let’s flip this question around. If nature created the universe then where did nature come from?
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zoeright
5.this is the stupid argument against Christianity there is! If there is a God, why do bad things happen? God gave humans laws, but he also gave us free will. Why is AIDS a problem? It is an STD. Where is AIDS the biggest problem? Where people have sex with multiple different people. This is clearly against what God commands in the Bible. God said that sex is for one man and one woman. The Bible tells us over and over again that having sex with many people is wrong. God warned us! I think that STDs are one of the proofs that the Bible is accurate.
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zoeright
How can you use the holocaust to prove there is not a God? What was the rational of the holocaust?The idea of the holocaust was to weed out of those that where not of the “perfect race.” The holocaust is an example of what the belief of evolution does to people. But wait, are you say that the holocaust was morally bad? Where do you get these morals? Nature teaches that once an animal is useless to nature it should be eliminated. Survival of the fittest, right? If you believe that the holocaust was wrong, you are saying that there is a law above nature. Where does that moral revelation come from? If there is no God there are no moral absolutes, then why would it be wrong for someone to kill you tonight? Survival of the fittest, right? Don’t you see, you are the one living an empty sad life! Ps. I am praying for you.
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zoeright
Ridikul, you can not prove that there is no heaven or hell! And know that Christian can not scientifically prove that there is a heaven or hell either. for any belief, including evolution, people can only find evidences. depending on what people believe, determines how they will see the evidences. It takes faith to believe there is a God, and it takes faith to believe there in not a God.
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TurnerRobin
Stop the Shit with Satan!!! Let people believe in whatever they want! I don't care whether you believe in Satan or not. But please let us believe in God/Jesus! †
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